[Lloyd6770]

Ok, this scenario came up last night in a duel. I played Gold Sarcophagus and chose Judgement Dragon. During my opponents turn, my opponent played Burial from a Different Dimension, and put it back in my graveyard. During my next turn (So after Standby Phase number 1), I removed that same JD and a dark monster to special summon Chaos Sorcerer. Now my question is, because that monster that was originally removed from play by Gold Sarco is still removed from play during my second standby phase, do I get to add it to my hand still, even though it left the RFG pile, and then went back to it?

[Nomad]

Due to the card being moved out of the RFG pile before the floating effect/lingering condition was completed, it makes the most sense to me for Judgment Dragon's association with Gold Sarcophagus to be wiped clean, or otherwise made irrelevant. I'm saying this because even if the players are able to verify that its physically the same card, The Game & Gold Sarcophagus would see it as a monster most that was most recently removed from play for Chaos Sorcerer's summon condition cost, rather than the card that was removed from play by Gold Sarcophagus' effect.

I think its also worth mentioning that unlike Evil Hero Infernal Prodigy who activates his own effect based on the summon eligibility that has a much higher hold on cards, Judgment Dragon would need to be added to the player's hand from a floating condition or lingering effect placed upon it by another effect which can only apply to cards while they remain in a single viable location. This is why a Treeborn Frog that's removed from play & then returned to the graveyard can activate its effect without being negated, even if it was previously destroyed by battle with Dark Ruler Ha Des.

Edit - Also if anyone cares, I had a similar situation regarding Destiny Hero - Doom Lord vs Burial From A Different Dimension & something that removes it again confirmed back on the UDE Yugiboards, which agrees with everything else in my post.

This post has been edited by Val: 23 October 2009 - 08:30 AM

[Lloyd6770]

I kind of figured that's how Sarc vs. JD would work, but I just want to clarify the Doom Lord + Burial. The same ruling will apply, and the monster will not come back, correct?

[Nomad]

Yup.

*longwindedfiller*

[Lloyd6770]

Yup works for me. Thanks Val. This can be closed if no one else has questions.

This post has been edited by Lloyd6770: 23 October 2009 - 09:15 AM

[Rejean Aizen Sosuke]

at my local recently i played this lightsworn player who activated gold sarco and removed the card face down
i asked if that was legal and the head judge said yes
so i did it also
is this a valid play i thought you could only remove it face up so tell me whats what

[Mark]

You have to remove it from play face-up if you play Gold Sarcophagus.

[Rejean Aizen Sosuke]

so the head judge was incorrect then ok thanks mark
oh by the way where can i go to read up ruling like this since netrep is gone
i forgot the site ccgdd or something like that i cant recall

[Nomad]

http://www.netrep.net/
http://ccgdb.com/yugioh/index-old.php
http://www.geocities...judgeresources/ (currently dead, but thats the case with everything Geocities right now)

If you're curious as to why the card is removed face-up, the logic behind this is that anything sent to the graveyard or removed from play is done so face-up, unless specified otherwise. Since Gold Sarcophagus doesn't specify otherwise, we should follow the default rules.

[Cybersword]

Rad, on 29 October 2009 - 01:22 PM, said:

so the head judge was incorrect then ok thanks mark
oh by the way where can i go to read up ruling like this since netrep is gone
i forgot the site ccgdd or something like that i cant recall

Netrep's not really "gone" it's just not being updated anymore.

[Rejean Aizen Sosuke]

any action that removes a card from the deck as gold sarcophagus does and doesnt specify is treated as face up
ok thank you