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#1 Casey

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 06:47 PM

I know I can call priority on his effect & Im usually pretty good with how a player's priority works but I need help with this:

1.) If I summon BRD & call priority & then my opponent activates bth does my brd get sent to the grave or rfg'd?
2.) If I summon BRD & then my opponent activates bth & then I call priority does my BRD get sent to the grave or rfg'd?

This came up at locals between 2 kids & this is 1 priority situation I didnt know a whole lot about.

Thanks for the help in advance.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 07:13 PM

Which effect are you referring to?

The first effect, which activates upon Black Rose Dragon's successful synchro summon does not require that you "call priority", because it (if you choose it to) activates upon Black Rose Dragon's successful summon. This indicates a few things:

1) For your first question, if the opponent activates bottomless trap hole in response to the activation of Black Rose Dragon's trigger effect, it is indeed removed from play--chains resolve backwards, and because Bottomless trap hole is more recently placed on the chain (chain link 2), it resolves first, removing Black Rose Dragon from play before its destruction effect resolves.

2) If your opponent activates Bottomless Trap Hole before you declared the activation of Black Rose Dragon's first effect, then it is implied you chose not to activate it--you, as turn player have the priority to be the first to activate effects on the chain, and allowing the opponent to activate an effect is equivalent to passing your priority.

Black Rose Dragon's effect (assuming it's the only trigger effect applicable in this situation) would be placed first on the summon response chain, because it triggers immediately upon its successful summon (assuming you choose to activate it)--your priority lies in the fact that you can choose to activate the effect in the summon response chain before your opponent can respond to the successful summon.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 07:14 PM

You don't have to "call priority" on BRD's "destroy all cards" effect; you have priority - it's a trigger effect.
1) These effects form a chain. BRD is link 1, BTH is link 2.
First BTH removes BRD from play, then BRD's effect destroys all cards on the field
2) This should be the same as the above; it kinda depends on how it went down.
a) if BRD player chooses not to "destroy all cards", the opponent may activate BTH. If BRD player suddenly wants to "destroy all cards" after seeing BTH, then Too Bad; he missed his chance.
b) If the opponent jumps the gun and activates BTH before BRD player decides whether or not to "destroy all cards", gameplay should rewind to allow BRD player to decide whether or not to "destroy all cards", before BTH is allowed to be activated.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 07:24 PM

View PostAnonymoose, on 04 November 2009 - 07:13 PM, said:

Which effect are you referring to?
The first effect, which activates upon Black Rose Dragon's successful synchro summon does not require that you "call priority", because it (if you choose it to) activates upon Black Rose Dragon's successful summon. This indicates a few things:
1) For your first question, if the opponent activates bottomless trap hole in response to the activation of Black Rose Dragon's trigger effect, it is indeed removed from play--chains resolve backwards, and because Bottomless trap hole is more recently placed on the chain (chain link 2), it resolves first, removing Black Rose Dragon from play before its destruction effect resolves.
2) If your opponent activates Bottomless Trap Hole before you declared the activation of Black Rose Dragon's first effect, then it is implied you chose not to activate it--you, as turn player have the priority to be the first to activate effects on the chain, and allowing the opponent to activate an effect is equivalent to passing your priority.
Black Rose Dragon's effect (assuming it's the only trigger effect applicable in this situation) would be placed first on the summon response chain, because it triggers immediately upon its successful summon (assuming you choose to activate it)--your priority lies in the fact that you can choose to activate the effect in the summon response chain before your opponent can respond to the successful summon.

View PostFox-fire, on 04 November 2009 - 07:14 PM, said:

You don't have to "call priority" on BRD's "destroy all cards" effect; you have priority - it's a trigger effect.
1) These effects form a chain. BRD is link 1, BTH is link 2.
First BTH removes BRD from play, then BRD's effect destroys all cards on the field
2) This should be the same as the above; it kinda depends on how it went down.
a) if BRD player chooses not to "destroy all cards", the opponent may activate BTH. If BRD player suddenly wants to "destroy all cards" after seeing BTH, then Too Bad; he missed his chance.
b) If the opponent jumps the gun and activates BTH before BRD player decides whether or not to "destroy all cards", gameplay should rewind to allow BRD player to decide whether or not to "destroy all cards", before BTH is allowed to be activated.
Thanks guys. I was atcually right in both situations. Just wasnt sure of it at the time.
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