[BlitzPlayer]

Ban:

JD - He is broken. Allows you to play against LS alot differently because you aren't always in fear of getting your ass kicked.



Limit:


Mezuki - I am not going to use this spot to talk much about Mezuki, but I want you to know that I seriously thought about banning plague. Did I have a crazy moment or does it sound interesting?


Black Whirlwind - With all of the main decks getting hit BW need to get hit too. With the hurting of LS and Zombies blackwings would rule next format if nothing is done about it.


Tsukoyomi - Card is sex


Brionic - Card is bad sex


Semi:

Charge of the light brigade - Even with JD banned Zombiesworn/Twighlight could still be effective.

Torrential Tribute - Punishs people from overextending

Mirror Force - Punishs people from overextending

Smashing Ground - Go go gadgets

Fissure - Go go gadgets


Unlimit:

Solemn - This card should never have been touched. Prevents games and ends them. Great in the hands of the right player.


Bottomless - Lol



Cards that I will never put on this list (Will talk about in thread):

-Bestari
- Brain Control



I feel that maybe I left GBs too strong and that Vayu turbo would go crazy. Idk though. Thoughts?

This post has been edited by BlitzPlayer: 09 December 2009 - 08:26 AM

[[banned idiot]Chief]

Nice list
Still thinks dad should go with JD
Also whirlwind to 1 really kills them
Something like semi whirlwind limit vayu would be a lot better

I like everything else





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This post has been edited by Warden Mojo Jojo: 09 December 2009 - 08:29 AM

[Mamoswine Flu]

JD doesn't need to be banned. either does Dad (though you didn't have him, he was suggested)
In the words of Jazin Kay (from another site)

"Dark Armed Dragon's value and power only increases, though steadily, as more dark decks pop up with new tricks up their butts. A ban is indeed possible in the future, but I don't see it soon.

Judgment Dragon, in my opinion, can be as powerful as he wants, he's still only useful in ONE deck. As long as that deck is winning, so is he. As long as that deck is something under everyone's boot, so is he.

Both are fine as they are, but realistically, I could see both stuck at 1."

This post has been edited by Mamoswine Flu: 09 December 2009 - 08:33 AM

[[banned idiot]Chief]

So because another broken card's value would increase we should keep this broken card...

[BlitzPlayer]

Chief: Yeah. You are probably right actually on the whirlwind thing. It might just be my massive hate for BW. But if I were to limit vayu and semi black whirlwind that brings up an interesting question:


Should I ban Stratos, limit vayu, and bring rota to 3? If I were to do this I think I would also think about bringing scapegoat to 2. Things to think about.



Flu: I think the opposite. I like Dad because you can play him in multiple decks that aren't top tier. JD is in the best deck so he is done.

[Aenema`]

I don't really care for Whirlwind at 1, unless they'd be willing to change the card to where you still get the search even if your Blackwing isn't successfully normal summoned or if Whirlwind is destroyed upon summoning of the Blackwing. If this doesn't happen, I don't see Whirlwind going to 1. On the other hand, I don't realistically see it staying at 3, either. I think if the above conditions aren't met, that Black Whirlwind will see a semi-limit at most.

[Mamoswine Flu]

Warden Mojo Jojo, on 09 December 2009 - 08:33 AM, said:

So because another broken card's value would increase we should keep this broken card...

You completly misunderstood.
DAD is only uber broken if the deck does something to make it uber broken.
This happens from time to time, but is usually easily countered after it becomes well known.
Eventually a combo may come up forcing DADs ban, but for now it is good at one.

BlitzPlayer, on 09 December 2009 - 08:36 AM, said:

Flu: I think the opposite. I like Dad because you can play him in multiple decks that aren't top tier. JD is in the best deck so he is done.

So, instead of simply weakening the "best deck" (Which hasn't won anything big that I'm aware of), you want to cripple it, and put it at tier two?

This post has been edited by Mamoswine Flu: 09 December 2009 - 08:41 AM

[[banned idiot]Chief]

Before I touch the first subject
DAD is worse than JD for the game because he's so splashable, but JD's effect is ridiculous
To say I'm mad and just want to ban them because I lost to them, who hasn't lol.
Now 20 people will come in here and say oooh im so smart, I read dad/jd and played around it, everyone of them is lying out of their asses


I'd honestly not touch stratos, it's what makes any hero engine decent, hit it and all ehero engines die out.
When it comes down to it, to be honest the dhero engine isn't as amazing as people give it credit to be,
With brionac out, level 8 synchros are not as popular as they once were, I find myself using mali more now to tribute for caius than synchro with.
And even then, rota into stratos, and now you have 1-2 dead rota's in your deck, or you can use them to search diamond dude.

I'd just take rota to three and bring trooper to two

[[banned idiot]Chief]

Mamoswine Flu, on 09 December 2009 - 08:37 AM, said:

You completly misunderstood.
DAD is only uber broken if the deck does something to make it uber broken.
This happens from time to time, but is usually easily countered after it becomes well known.
Eventually a combo may come up forcing DADs ban, but for now it is good at one.


So, instead of simply weakening the "best deck" (Which hasn't won anything big that I'm aware of), you want to cripple it, and put it at tier two?

I don't get it, what's not uber broken about dropping a 2800 atk monster for free, and then getting a +3 off it

[Crue]

BlitzPlayer, on 09 December 2009 - 08:25 AM, said:

Ban:

JD - He is broken. Allows you to play against LS alot differently because you aren't always in fear of getting your ass kicked.
(Limited would be fine)


Limit:


Mezuki - I am not going to use this spot to talk much about Mezuki, but I want you to know that I seriously thought about banning plague. Did I have a crazy moment or does it sound interesting?
(Leave at 2, 1 would kill zombies again)


Black Whirlwind - With all of the main decks getting hit BW need to get hit too. With the hurting of LS and Zombies blackwings would rule next format if nothing is done about it.
(I like this)


Tsukoyomi - Card is sex
(I like this)


Brionic - Card is bad sex
(This should have been at 1 from the start)


Semi:

Charge of the light brigade - Even with JD banned Zombiesworn/Twighlight could still be effective.
(Needs to be at 1. It is a ROTA for LS)

Torrential Tribute - Punishs people from overextending
(Keep at 1. We have BRD)

Mirror Force - Punishs people from overextending
(Keep at 1. No need for 2)

Smashing Ground - Go go gadgets
(Keep at 1. We have 3 Fissure and Hammer Shots.)

Fissure - Go go gadgets
(See above)


Unlimit:

Solemn - This card should never have been touched. Prevents games and ends them. Great in the hands of the right player.
(Like it at 1.)

Bottomless - Lol



Cards that I will never put on this list (Will talk about in thread):

-Bestari
- Brain Control
(These should never be more than 1)


I feel that maybe I left GBs too strong and that Vayu turbo would go crazy. Idk though. Thoughts?

[Aenema`]

DAD's good, not broken, but good. With only one real playable Deck being able to control the grave enough to be able to drop DAD whenever it pleases, DAD has dropped from the "Boss Monster" Category and has fallen into the "Win More" Category; whereas JD is an "Everything" kind of card. Win more? Sure. Tide turning? Definitely. If DAD is going to stay at 1, then JD needs to come down. I mean, of course JD isn't splashable, but it's definitely more game winning than DAD. My opponent drops DAD, calls priority, hits a monsters, and I Bottomless it, I'm out a monster and don't see DAD again. JD drops, calls priority, and I Bottomless, I'm out my field and then potentially have another JD drop for game.

[Mamoswine Flu]

Aenema`, on 09 December 2009 - 09:20 AM, said:

DAD's good, not broken, but good. With only one real playable Deck being able to control the grave enough to be able to drop DAD whenever it pleases, DAD has dropped from the "Boss Monster" Category and has fallen into the "Win More" Category; whereas JD is an "Everything" kind of card. Win more? Sure. Tide turning? Definitely. If DAD is going to stay at 1, then JD needs to come down. I mean, of course JD isn't splashable, but it's definitely more game winning than DAD. My opponent drops DAD, calls priority, hits a monsters, and I Bottomless it, I'm out a monster and don't see DAD again. JD drops, calls priority, and I Bottomless, I'm out my field and then potentially have another JD drop for game.

Which is why I want them both at one.
JD being banned, and charge going to one will make ls as bad as possible.
Since charge is almost certainly getting hit somehow, JD should drop down to one, and lightsworn will be hurt, but still playable to an extent.

This post has been edited by Mamoswine Flu: 09 December 2009 - 09:29 AM

[Aenema`]

Yeah, I feel that the biggest threat from LS is dropping double JD.

[[banned idiot]Chief]

What the hell are you talking about....
Every deck has some sort of grave control and can run DAD, it's splashable as grape, it comes down and you gain +'s like hell
Ban both bring back BLS, it can't grab more than a +1 a turn, next round it is more than likely going to be cleared from the field.
DAD and JD come down get all their pluses and win that turn, if not the next turn

I don't know where you're getting your info about DAD, it hits the field, and it wins games most of the time

Yes, JD has the more powerful effect, but DAD is splashable, more than one deck can can play it

[Aenema`]

I can say that I've never lost a game to just DAD. It's always been DAD +. On the other hand, I can say that I've lost plenty of games to single JD drops.

This post has been edited by Aenema`: 09 December 2009 - 09:46 AM

[[banned idiot]Chief]

...
That's because DAD doesn't have enough power to win in a turn?
The point of it is to clear the field as much and let you get enough on the field in one turn


If you want to use that "tone"
Then, I've never lost to a single JD drop, it's always been JD into lumina+

[Aenema`]

Warden Mojo Jojo, on 09 December 2009 - 09:51 AM, said:

...
That's because DAD doesn't have enough power to win in a turn?
The point of it is to clear the field as much and let you get enough on the field in one turn

That's exactly my point. DAD is more balanced than JD ever thought about being. Oh, and we haven't even started on summoning conditions yet. =(

[Apollo]

DaD is fine at 1. It's annoying when people top it with 3 Darks in grave, but that's yugioh. It's not anywhere near as good as it used to be, to be honest. Plus, lets be honest, DaD hardly ever gets the full +3. A good player calls prio on a monster, then the opponent flips Bth, Torrential, Book, Icarus, w/e

JD deserves to be banned. People always say they only lose to a second JD, but don't fool yourself by thinking that them only running 1 JD will mean that they won't drop him again. This card just really never should have been made to be honest, and if you think that Lightsworns couldn't play without JD, then you need to learn to play yugioh.

Whirlwind to 1 was a little harsh. I'd say semi Whirlwind, semi Icarus, limit Vayu, and unlimited Bottomless would do the job. They'd stay competitive, but they wouldn't be as good.

I'm also not opposed to banning Plague and keeping Mezuki at 2 or even 3.

And I love Rota, but I'm not a fan of banning Stratos. If anything, I'd keep Stratos and hit the draw engines again(D-Draw/Allure).

Meh, idk, just some thoughts.

[[banned idiot]Chief]

Plague is the bigger reason that zombies are what they are
Limiting mezuki sounds fine
You can still abuse zombies, just not as easy

I wouldn't cut icarus to two, leave it at 3
Semi whirl and limiting vayu, slows them down, enough


Semi ddraw again bring back rota to 3