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[Casey]

Thought Id do 1 of these since we havent had 1 in a while & the new format is approaching. Assume the new list is in effect.

Its game 1, turn 1 & you dont know wut your opponent is playing. Your playing Debris - Hime.

Your hand:
Sangan
Foolish Burial
Mystic Tomato
Trap Dustshoot
Bottomless Trap Hole
Cold Wave

Post the best possible opening move.

Gogogo

EDIT: At request of Xero:

Monsters:19
Debris Dragon
Debris Dragon
Debris Dragon
Caius The Shadow Monarch
Caius The Shadow Monarch
Cyber Dragon
Cyber Dragon
Dandylion
Dandylion
Lonefire Blossom
Lonefire Blossom
Tytannial, Princess Of Camellias
Tytannial, Princess Of Camellias
Blackwing - Gale The Whirlwind
Card Trooper
Gorz The Emissary Of Darkness
Mystic Tomato
Plaguespreader Zombie
Sangan

Spells:12
Book Of Moon
Book Of Moon
Pot Of Avarice
Pot Of Avarice
Brain Control
Cold Wave
Foolish Burial
Giant Trunade
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Mind Control
My Body As A Shield

Traps:9
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Threatening Roar
Threatening Roar
Call Of The Haunted
Mirror Force
Raigeki Break
Torrential Tribute
Trap Dustshoot

Edited by KC The OG, 19 February 2010 - 10:33 PM.

[Fallen]

Can I have the build of Debu - Hime please?

EDIT:

Most likely I'd set Tomato and Dustshoot.

Obviously I'd play Dustshoot and try and cripple their hand as much as possible.

If they attack I get Gale, summon Sangan next turn, Foolish Dandy, sync for a level 8 (what level 8 depends on the situation) and search Debris Dragon. Do work then set Bottomless and end.

If they don't attack then it depends on what they play. Most likely I'd flip Tomato and swing into their face-down.

:o two turns.

EDIT2: Setting Sangan and Dustshoot is also a good move. If they attack I get Debris Dragon and then possible go Cold Wave into Black Rose Dragon depending on how much they commit to field.

Edited by Xero, 19 February 2010 - 09:33 PM.

[Casey]

Xero, on 19 February 2010 - 09:26 PM, said:

Can I have the build of Debu - Hime please?

put a decklist up for ya in my op.

[Mark]

I would set Tomato and Dustshoot.

[WolfangSD]

I would set Sangan, Dustshoot, and Bottomless...mostly cuz I'm a bad player atm (Sangan w/ Dustshoot only makes a TON of sense though), partly because I don't want to get nailed for an illegal deck penalty for having a Tomato in hand when it's not on my decklist.

Edited by NewEdge, 19 February 2010 - 10:32 PM.

[Casey]

NewEdge, on 19 February 2010 - 10:31 PM, said:

I would set Sangan, Dustshoot, and Bottomless...mostly cuz I'm a bad player atm (Sangan w/ Dustshoot only makes a TON of sense though), partly because I don't want to get nailed for an illegal deck penalty for having a Tomato in hand when it's not on my decklist.

lol. fixd. XD

[Motep-Dragon]

Set Dustshoot and Tomato.

Edited by Motep-Dragon, 20 February 2010 - 11:23 AM.

[Fresh]

Set Tomato and Dustshoot.

[Mister Mischief]

Xero, on 19 February 2010 - 09:26 PM, said:

EDIT2: Setting Sangan and Dustshoot is also a good move. If they attack I get Debris Dragon and then possible go Cold Wave into Black Rose Dragon depending on how much they commit to field.

That would be pro, except for the part where Debris Dragon doesn't work with Sangan

NewEdge, on 19 February 2010 - 10:31 PM, said:

I would set Sangan, Dustshoot, and Bottomless...mostly cuz I'm a bad player atm (Sangan w/ Dustshoot only makes a TON of sense though), partly because I don't want to get nailed for an illegal deck penalty for having a Tomato in hand when it's not on my decklist.

I thought about setting Bottomless also, but I'll go into why I wouldn't furthur down. Same for why setting Tomato would be the better play IMO.

Motep-Dragon, on 20 February 2010 - 07:49 AM, said:

Set Dustshoot and Tornado.

Tomato?

Anyways, I think setting Tomato over Sangan is deffinitely the better play and here's why:

• Tomato only has 2 targets in the deck, so if we don't get his effect off early we may not get to use it at all.
  
• The longer we wait to use Tomato the more likely it becomes that he'll be taken off the field in a way that we won't get his effect, or the monster he summons will be killed before it gets back to our turn.
  
• If Tomato gets attacked over we can get Gale which will allow us to keep field presence, and we should be able to attack over whatever our opponent has with Gale should we choose to.
  
• Gale also sets us up nicely to synch with Sangan into our choice of a 6, 7, or 8 star synchro(if we combo it with Dandylion) based on our knowledge of our opponent's hand thanks to Dustshoot.
  
• If our opponent has something set that will make synchroing a bad play, we can just attack over their monster with Gale and get a direct attack in with Sangan.

As for whether we should set Bottomless Trap Hole or not, I say no because:

• We want Tomato to get attacked over, so protecting it with BTH doesn't make much sense.
  
• We'll get Gale off of Tomato's search, and Gale should be able to attack over our opponent's monster or make a synchro that can.
  
• If we save BTH we can use it to protect Gale or our synchro monster.
  
• I'd rather wait until I know if my opponent has any backrow destruction before setting it, even more so if it's something like Icarus Attack and I'd rather keep 1 card on my field to neutralize it.
  
• The only pro I can see of setting BTH is if we're playing against GB and they're dumb enough to tag into Bestiari and not Murmillo.

So, yea, set Tomato & Dustshoot /end.

Edited by Mister Mischief, 20 February 2010 - 09:13 AM.

[g1Nz0]

Setting BTH with the Dustshoot and Tomato may not be a bad idea. If you want to search Gale you made need to protect it if your opponent is playing Cyber Dragon as well. My first turn is probably: Tomato(I agree w/Mr.Mischief about getting it's effect early), and Dustshoot.

[Casey]

Mister Mischief, on 20 February 2010 - 09:12 AM, said:

That would be pro, except for the part where Debris Dragon doesn't work with Sangan

You have Foolish in-hand to dump dandy after you grab debris.

[Apollo]

Set Tomato set Dustshoot

It sets up the best play against your opponent's hand. I'd prefer if the deck ran more than 2 Tomato targets, but searching Gale is fine. Then you play your hand according to their hand.

[Mister Mischief]

KC The OG, on 20 February 2010 - 10:57 AM, said:

You have Foolish in-hand to dump dandy after you grab debris.

I'm well aware, I even mentioned it, but it didn't look like he was planning on doing that since he mentioned maybe using Cold Wave which also stops you from making a debris play that same turn.

[Twitter]

I'd summon Tomato and set Dustshoot :s

I'd only summon it cause I really, really hate Ehren.

[Ice King]

Set Sangan, Set Dustshoot, set Bottomless

Activate the Dustshoot asap, make the opponent think the Bottomless is useless when they summon whatever and attack Sangan
Fetch for Debris Dragon, so I can Foolish the Dandylion, get tokens, summon Debris, bring back Dandylion and Synchro for BRD, Stardust, RDA, Trishula

[Inamorta]

Set Sangan, BTH and Dustshoot.

[g1Nz0]

Twitter, on 20 February 2010 - 12:59 PM, said:

I'd summon Tomato and set Dustshoot :s

I'd only summon it cause I really, really hate Ehren.

Well, you could still set the Tomato because you would have Dustshoot.

[BreakingPoint]

g1Nz0, on 23 February 2010 - 08:21 AM, said:

Well, you could still set the Tomato because you would have Dustshoot.

but then they play COTLB or ROTA

Edited by BreakingPoint, 24 February 2010 - 12:54 PM.

[James]

Lol set dustshoot and sangan. Save your debris dragons until you're opponent truly commits to the field. Good players won't do that t1. Next, don't flip your dustshoot over right away. Chain that to an allure, space, heavy, after they charge/rota, etc. Players are going to play more cautiously if you have a backrow set. In debu-hime, you want lonefire as fast as possible and sangan does that for you.

Lastly, this deck needs a trag.

[Fallen]

James, on 24 February 2010 - 04:01 PM, said:

Lol set dustshoot and sangan. Save your debris dragons until you're opponent truly commits to the field. Good players won't do that t1. Next, don't flip your dustshoot over right away. Chain that to an allure, space, heavy, after they charge/rota, etc. Players are going to play more cautiously if you have a backrow set. In debu-hime, you want lonefire as fast as possible and sangan does that for you.

Lastly, this deck needs a trag.

Setting Tomato is an infinity better play because of the mere fact that its 10 times easier to get a recruiter off early game then mid to late. Sangan can get his effect in nearly any situation. Its better to save it for a better play such as sacrificing Sangan for Caius for good chance for a +1 or summon/setting Sangan with a Torrential for an even trade off or a +x based on how many monsters your opponent has, rather then just setting it for an even trade off. Also you should almost always play Dustshoot as soon as possible. Holding it for an Allure/Charge/RotA seems like a good strategy but in general it just doesn't play out well. You want to get that hand knowledge and shut down their best opening play possible as soon as possible. Also "good players" won't Storm one card.