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[Owner of DMGs]

Grandmaster of the SS is a pretty sic card but i hav a few questions.....

1.Even if i negate his special summoning and sends it to the grave (like Soliem Judement) can he grab himself/ another SS back?

2. If i destroy Grandmaster with say a card effect (Fissure) and he gets send to the grave can he pull himself back even if the Grave was empty when i activated Fissure?

3. IF my opp tribute summons into a Caius and i activate Intercept which is a counter trap and take control of his Caius does my opp still activate Caius even though i now have him?

[Tenken]

Effect would be nice of the GM.

I believe it says he just has to be destroyed.

If Solemn negates and Destroys him (it does), he can activate his effect.

I would say yes off of memory.

Yes, your opponent still gets the Monarch effect.

[Motep-Dragon]

1. Solemn Judgment negates and destroys the card. Since Grandmaster simply states that when it is destroyed you may get a Six Samurai from your grave back to your hand, his effect will still activate even though his summon was negated because Grandmaster does not have to be successfully summoned to use his effect, he only needs to be destroyed, which Solemn does. And as always, you can return Grandmaster himself if you wished as long as he is in the grave when his effect goes off.

2. Yes because the effect of Grandmaster does not go off until Grandmaster is sent into the card graveyard, so by the time his effect is triggered Grandmaster will be in the grave allowing himself to be a target of his own effect.

3. Yes, because Caius was successfully tribute summoned to the owners side of the field. Your opponent has now taken control of your monster, but Caius was still on your field at the moment he was tribute summoned, allowing you to still use his effect even though he is not in your control anymore. His effect would still have gotten first priority in the Chain.

[Tsunayoshi]

Owner of DMGs, on 27 February 2010 - 06:46 PM, said:

Grandmaster of the SS is a pretty sic card but i hav a few questions.....

1.Even if i negate his special summoning and sends it to the grave (like Soliem Judement) can he grab himself/ another SS back?

2. If i destroy Grandmaster with say a card effect (Fissure) and he gets send to the grave can he pull himself back even if the Grave was empty when i activated Fissure?

3. IF my opp tribute summons into a Caius and i activate Intercept which is a counter trap and take control of his Caius does my opp still activate Caius even though i now have him?

1: Yes because GM was still destroyed all the same.

2: Not completely sure because, but I would say so just because GM was still destroyed and could still just target itself to be brought back to the field.

3: I want to say that you get the effect because you are the one in control of the monarch by time its effect would attempt to activate.

[FroZen]

1. Yes as ppl mentioned above earlier
2. not sure
3. No you dont get their effect because you activate intercept after they activate their effect.
So its tribute summon caius, since its not being negated by solemn or cards like forced back its mandatory effect will activate and then the player targets, now intercept is activated.

Edited by FroZen, 27 February 2010 - 10:54 PM.

[BreakingPoint]

2. Grandmaster can add himself back

3. Your opponent still get's to target.

Edited by BreakingPoint, 27 February 2010 - 11:14 PM.

[Tsunayoshi]

FroZen, on 27 February 2010 - 10:53 PM, said:

3. No you dont get their effect because you activate intercept after they activate their effect.
So its tribute summon caius, since its not being negated by solemn or cards like forced back its mandatory effect will activate and then the player targets, now intercept is activated.

I have to disagree on the fact that Intercept is a Counter Trap, pretty much taking Caius as soon as he hits the field. Caius being able to target and use his effect before Intercept put him into your control would make the card next to useless for the monsters it was was made to target.

[BreakingPoint]

Sora Kitano, on 27 February 2010 - 11:01 PM, said:

I have to disagree on the fact that Intercept is a Counter Trap, pretty much taking Caius as soon as he hits the field. Caius being able to target and use his effect before Intercept put him into your control would make the card next to useless for the monsters it was was made to target.

If the Tribute Summoned monster has an effect that activates when it is Tribute Summoned, the player that Tribute Summoned the monster activates its effect. "Intercept" is chained to the monster's effect.[1]


source: http://yugioh.wikia....lings:Intercept

[Ice King]

Owner of DMGs, on 27 February 2010 - 06:46 PM, said:

Grandmaster of the SS is a pretty sic card but i hav a few questions.....

1.Even if i negate his special summoning and sends it to the grave (like Soliem Judement) can he grab himself/ another SS back?

2. If i destroy Grandmaster with say a card effect (Fissure) and he gets send to the grave can he pull himself back even if the Grave was empty when i activated Fissure?

3. IF my opp tribute summons into a Caius and i activate Intercept which is a counter trap and take control of his Caius does my opp still activate Caius even though i now have him?

1. Yes, and with Royal Oppression as well, Grandmaster would be able to add a SS monster back to hand
2. Assuming you mean if your opponent activates Fissure to destroy it....but yes, he can return himself back to the hand once he reaches the graveyard
3. Yes, your opponent would still get to resolve Caius's effect.

[Tsunayoshi]

BreakingPoint, on 27 February 2010 - 11:04 PM, said:

If the Tribute Summoned monster has an effect that activates when it is Tribute Summoned, the player that Tribute Summoned the monster activates its effect. "Intercept" is chained to the monster's effect.[1]


source: http://yugioh.wikia....lings:Intercept

Wow. Intercept is the most useless Counter Trap ever created if that is the case. grapeing stupid ruling considering they pretty much say a Speed 3 effect gets trumped by slower effect.

[WolfangSD]

who said that? you activate the Monarch effect as Chain Link 1 and select your target, then Intercept is activated to steal the monster....just because control changes after the effect is activated doesn't mean control of the effect changes, too

[Tsunayoshi]

NewEdge, on 27 February 2010 - 11:34 PM, said:

who said that? you activate the Monarch effect as Chain Link 1 and select your target, then Intercept is activated to steal the monster....just because control changes after the effect is activated doesn't mean control of the effect changes, too

Eh. The way I read the effect, Intercept would be activated on the summon of the monster in question. Not as a chain to the effect of the monster.

Either way, not really going to apple and moan over it. Never had a reason to play the card and anything you would want to steal with it makes it a complete waste.

[Nomad]

Sora Kitano, on 27 February 2010 - 11:39 PM, said:

Eh. The way I read the effect, Intercept would be activated on the summon of the monster in question. Not as a chain to the effect of the monster.

When you activate Bottomless Trap Hole, you're activating it in response to the summon. However, since you're not performing your activation until Caius' effect has already been activated & added to the chain, Bottomless Trap Hole becomes link 2.

Link 1 - Caius
Link 2 - Bottomless

Fir our situation, just replace Bottomless with Intercept, and you'll have the chain set up.

[Tsunayoshi]

Val, on 28 February 2010 - 12:19 AM, said:

When you activate Bottomless Trap Hole, you're activating it in response to the summon. However, since you're not performing your activation until Caius' effect has already been activated & added to the chain, Bottomless Trap Hole becomes link 2.

Link 1 - Caius
Link 2 - Bottomless

Fir our situation, just replace Bottomless with Intercept, and you'll have the chain set up.

Eh, like I said, I think its a bullplum ruling that makes a Counter Trap useless, but no point in appleing since Konami probably didnt give a good goddamn.

[Nomad]

Sora - Its not a "ruling", and there's no fruits involved. Instead, its a combination of reading what the card says & knowing how chain mechanics work. Regardless, being a counter-trap limits what can be added to the chain once Intercept has been activated, so I'd hardly call that useless. Lastly, if you wanna qq about how bad you think Intercept is, you're better off going about it in the Single Card Discussion, not here.

...

Getting back to the OP's original questions, since finding the correct answers might be confusing...

1) Grandmaster's optional trigger effect can be activated when he's destroyed from anywhere (including the Hand, Deck, & Limbo), as long as he's being destroyed by an opponent's card effect. This means that you'll be able to activate his effect after being destroyed by an opponnet's copy of Royal Oppression, but not your own.

2) If Grandmaster is sent to the Graveyard after being destroyed, that same Grandmaster can be targeted.

3) See my above post please.

Edited by Val, 28 February 2010 - 01:54 AM.

[Motep-Dragon]

3. "When a Monarch is Tribute Summoned, you chain "Intercept" to the Monarch's effect. Since the Monarch's effect was already activated by your opponent, you do not get to select the target(s) of its effect."