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[EliteDuelist]

Would it be a good idea to make a deck with artifact and lands only? If you could make this work, how would you build it?

[Kaalia]

EliteDuelist, on 28 May 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

Would it be a good idea to make a deck with artifact and lands only? If you could make this work, how would you build it?

Any specific format or just casual?

[EliteDuelist]

Kirin, on 28 May 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

Any specific format or just casual?

Well, I like the Vintage format, but casual is also good.

[So Lyst Year]

It already exists.....well, not entirely all artifact land but mostly.

[Nomad]

I remember making a really bad blue/back deck that I thought was good a while back, featuring Sphinx Summoners, Tidehollow Strix, and a couple of other "Artifact friendly" cards. Well, I think it moreso had to do with the fact that I had no idea how to play, rather than the concept itself being all that bad, but yeah.

[Kaalia]

EliteDuelist, on 28 May 2011 - 05:48 PM, said:

Well, I like the Vintage format, but casual is also good.

In Standard or Extended, you need a reason to not play a Tempered Steel deck and in Legacy, you need a reason not play a set of Thoughtcast and I won't even touch Vintage.

In standard, I play a deck with only 10 cards not being artifacts or lands(Sideboard not included, haven't gotten one set up yet.) so you can mess around with that, but i don't know what I'd do anywhere else.

Creatures: 27
4 Glint Hawk

4 Memnite
4 Signal Pest
4 Vault Skirge
4 Porcelain Legionnaire
3 Ornithopter
3 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Hex Parasite

Non-Creature Spells: 14
4 Tempered Steel
2 Dispatch

4 Glint Hawk Idol
3 Mox Opal
1 Chimeric Mass

Lands: 19
16 Plains
3 Contested War Zone

Edited by Kirin, 28 May 2011 - 11:49 PM.

[Sage]

You don't get anything special for only running Artifacts though, so there's really little to no benefit in not splashing at least a little color. The closest you're gonna get would be Stax or Metalworker.

[So Lyst Year]

If you want to play vintage

Prepare to play the same deck everytime.

[EliteDuelist]

So Lyst Year, on 29 May 2011 - 11:36 AM, said:

If you want to play vintage

Prepare to play the same deck everytime.

That's really not a problem for me actually.

[So Lyst Year]

Vintage quite literally has ONE deck to play.

And it quite literally is probably near at least 9000 to play properly.

I wish I were joking.

[EliteDuelist]

So Lyst Year, on 29 May 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Vintage quite literally has ONE deck to play.

And it quite literally is probably near at least 9000 to play properly.

I wish I were joking.

I see. Which deck is that?

[So Lyst Year]

Any and all of them because if you're playing Vintage you have Power Nine in it + a bunch of other really expensive stuff with about 5 cards different depending on which "deck" you're running.

[Kaalia]

So Lyst Year, on 29 May 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

Any and all of them because if you're playing Vintage you have Power Nine in it + a bunch of other really expensive stuff with about 5 cards different depending on which "deck" you're running.

Eh, it's a little more than that. Vintage is split up into 4 different types of decks usually: Blue based control, Null Rod Aggro variants, Ritual Combo, and Bazaar Combo.

Most decks are only off each other by maybe 20-30 cards.

[So Lyst Year]

I'm not sure I'd give it 20, that's like high end anti-meta stuff right there

[Sage]

Vintage is actually quite varied in terms of archetypes of decks. Like Kirin said, you've got a good selection of types of decks to choose from (more than the standard Aggro, Control, Combo, Midrange. Especially if you count Workshop based decks that pop up in Vintage from time to time). While each deck in these archetypes are likely very similar, you're not gonna find much similarity between decks of different archetypes.

Oath may be similar to Tezz, but it's nothing like GW Beats or Fish, which are nothing like ANT or TPS, which are nothing like Stax, which is NOTHING like Dredge (nothing in MTG is anything like Dredge, though).

Yeah, they all try to fit in as much of the power 9 as humanly possible and other cards like Bob, Tinker, Force of Will, Time Vault, Brainstorm, Ponder, and Top are all very common in many of the decks.. they're still quite different. It's an interesting (and expensive) format, to be sure.

[So Lyst Year]

If 50% or more of your deck is similar to every other deck...

I wouldn't call that variety.

[Sage]

50% of a deck is 30 cards. which is quite a lot (and a lot more than you claimed earlier) and probably still an understatement.

Oath

Spoiler

Lands:
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Polluted Delta
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Tolarian Academy

Creatures:
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Eternal Witness
1 Tidespout Tyrant

Spells:
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
3 Spell Pierce
3 Thoughtseize
1 Time Walk
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Hurkyl's Recall

Artifacts:
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
1 Voltaic Key
1 Time Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crypt

Planeswalkers:
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Tezzeret the Seeker

Enchantments:
4 Oath of Druids

Tezz

Spoiler

Lands:
1x Library of Alexandria
4x Underground Sea
2x Tropical Island
1x Swamp
2x Island
3x Polluted Delta
2x Misty Rainforest
1x Tolarain Academy

Artifacts:
1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Time Vault
1x Voltaic Key
1x Sol Ring

Creatures:
1x Inkwell Leviathan
1x Sower of Temptation

Spells:
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
2x Duress
2x Thoughseize
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Darkblast
1x Diabolic Edict
1x Regrowth
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Brainstorm
4x Mana Drain
1x Mystical Tutor
4x Force of Will
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Gifts Ungiven
1x Misdirection
1x Thirst of Knowledge
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Tinker
1x Time Walk

Planeswalker:
1x Tezzeret the Seeker

Sideboard:
2x Threads of Disloyalty
1x Trinisphere
1x Hurkyl's Recall
2x Extract
4x Leyline of the Void
3x Trygon Predator
2x Extirpate

Dredge

Spoiler

Artifact:
4x Serum Powder
4x Chalice of the Void

Enchantments:
4x Leyline of the Void
4x Bridge from Below

Spells:
4x Cabal Therapy
3x Dread Return
1x Darkblast

Creatures:
4x Narcomeoba
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
2x Golgari Thug
4x Stinkweed Imp
2x Ichorid
4x Bloodghast
1x Flame-Kin Zealot
1x Sphinx of Lost Truths
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria

Lands:
4x Bazaar of Baghdad
4x Undiscovered Paradise
2x City of Brass
1x Dakmor Salvage
2x Petrified Field

Sideboard:
3x Nature's Claim
4x Chain of Vapor
2x Pithing Needle
2x City of Brass
4x Unmask

GW Beatz

Spoiler

Lands:
3 Forest
4 Ghost Quarter
6 Plains
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath

Spells:
2 Nature's Claim
4 Path to Exile
2 Swords to Plowshares

Artifacts:
4 Aether Vial
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

Creatures:
4 Aven Mindcensor
4 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Kataki, War's Wage
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Qasali Pridemage
3 Tarmogoyf

Sideboard:
2 Gaddock Teeg
1 Kataki, War's Wage
3 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Pithing Needle
4 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
4 Tormod's Crypt

Noble Fish

Spoiler

1/9/11
Lands:
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Flooded Strand
1 Windswept Heath
3 Tundra
3 Tropical Island
1 Plains
1 Forest
1 Island

Spells:
4 Force of Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
2 Swords to Plowshares
3 Daze
3 Spell Pierce

Artifacts:
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus
3 Null Rod

Creatures:
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Cold-Eyed Selkie
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Qasali Pridemage
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 True Believer
3 Trygon Predator

Sideboard:
1 Rebuild
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
2 Nature’s Claim
2 Ravenous Trap
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Tariff
2 Pithing Needle
2 Relic of Progenitus

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Looking at the maindecks from each:

Cards in common:

Oath & Tezz: 41 (admittedly, a lot. these two are the same archetype of deck)
Oath & Dredge: 0
Oath & GW Beatz: 0
Oath & Noble Fish: 18

Don't feel like doing the rest for now, and these lists are just random so numbers could easily be off (where are the Black Lotus, idk?). It's just to show that archetypes of decks are similar (in the way that CawBlade and DarkBlade are very similar. or certain types of ygo decks I guess) but the format as a whole is quite diverse. And still, even if only 30 cards were different in each deck it would be more diverse than Yugioh (as each deck only has 40 cards initially).

[So Lyst Year]

The sad thing is, any of those decks that you didn't put the P9 in isn't actually proper vintage.

[Kaalia]

So Lyst Year, on 31 May 2011 - 02:36 AM, said:

The sad thing is, any of those decks that you didn't put the P9 in isn't actually proper vintage.

Vintage Dredge plays no power anyway. No point having unneeded cards showing up when you try to combo out.

[So Lyst Year]

Meh, the point is that no matter what deck you're playing, Vintage is expensive as balls