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Dark World - Decktype Discussion


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#1 Tsunayoshi

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 11:51 AM

Ever end up being this guy where you are getting locked and beat down? Want to be the one doing that with some of the nastiest fiends to see the light of day? Then stick around for the profile and guide to one of the most explosive decks making its stand in the Zexal era.

Dark World when first announced way back in Elemental Energy, people were hyped up about it because of the seeming amount of control that could be had with the original unholy trinity of cards, Pot of Greed/Graceful Charity, Confiscation, and Delinquent Duo. Unfortunately the hype fell through due to the sets lackluster offering to the game. The deck soon saw some life blown back into it with the introduction of the Fabled archetype in from the Duel Terminal series, specifically thanks to Fabled Raven. The deck gained access to Synchros and a new way to begin work their way back into relevance since being released.

Now with the release of the Structure Deck in OCG and the upcoming October release for TCG, Dark World has finally gotten the boost they needed to lead an invasion on the metagame and with tools that players wouldnt expect to have thrown at them.

Meet your army:

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Only other monster of note to recommend the deck in the main would be Morphing Jar for triggering a mass discard and hand replenishment all in one small package. It is to be used at your own risk in the mirror match since you risk losing so much more if you hit a hand full of monsters.

With the banlist making Chaos viable again, Morphing Jar is looking even more risky to play as it can set up your opponent to summon Sorcerer and BLS on you with no effort on their part.

Meet your battlefield and support:

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Other cards that can help back up and support the deck are the Viruses to either strip away their small floaters (Deck Devastation Virus) or strip away their own support (Eradicator Epidemic Virus). Pot of Duality is also another choice if you expect to see plenty of Dark World in local meta

Decks:

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The Matchups:
Sabers: You should have the advantage over them through the use of Lightning to deal with their floaters and good use of your available resources. If they hit their discard loop for any reason, then you should almost auto win.
Fish: Outspeed them on your combos and aggression and the game will win itself. OCG: Beat Rescue Rabbit at all costs. Ban list made this matchup irrelevant to worry about.
Plants: Much like Sabers, control their floaters and make good use of your effects to have a good chance of taking the game.
Macro: Destroy it, Destroy it, DESTROY IT. If they keep up the RFG, you have no effects and no outs to the deck. Side into extra removal if you are not maining it in bulk. Ban list made this matchup irrelevant to worry about.
Sams: Even match up and Shi En should not be a major issue as it wont have much to negate. Well used negation should put them into their place. Ban list made this matchup irrelevant to worry about.
Gravekeepers: Keep your field on top or laugh at them if they play Royal Tribute into a hand full of monsters. Not a seriously hard matchup since they cant stop your effects or summons outside of the overuse of their negaion. Ban list made this matchup irrelevant to worry about.

Agents: Its a matter of speed and control. Play more aggressively and control them and you should come out on top. Field control is the complete name of the game. With the huge boost the deck gained from the banlist and Chaos in general being amazingly viable.

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 08:53 PM

Our opinions greatly differ with #s but thanks for doing this.

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 09:19 PM

I woke up with most of it in mind.

Plus opinions are opinions and I can go in to edit and fix if I get good opinions.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 06:24 PM

While not always the best option, I feel you still need to discuss Cerli, Monk of Dark World, since he is a Dark World. I enjoyed your article overall.

I'm not very keen on the Tour Guides myself, but that's just me...
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 07:19 PM

View PostEwok Hunter, on 18 July 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

While not always the best option, I feel you still need to discuss Cerli, Monk of Dark World, since he is a Dark World. I enjoyed your article overall.

I'm not very keen on the Tour Guides myself, but that's just me...

When I picked up the deck I was using 1-2 of them, but after playing with it and having it being always overshadowed by other choices in the deck. With its lack of versatility, as I would like the option to special summon it to my side of the field but since the card doesnt do that in the first place.

Its effect is generally a gimmick, albeit it one that is highly useful if you can pull it off, I dont feel it is really worth the space in the main at all. With the article being focused on cards that would be used either in main or side, I didnt want to give mention to a card where I would go 0-1 even in optimistic terms.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 10:06 PM

View PostTsunayoshi, on 18 July 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

When I picked up the deck I was using 1-2 of them, but after playing with it and having it being always overshadowed by other choices in the deck. With its lack of versatility, as I would like the option to special summon it to my side of the field but since the card doesnt do that in the first place.

Its effect is generally a gimmick, albeit it one that is highly useful if you can pull it off, I dont feel it is really worth the space in the main at all. With the article being focused on cards that would be used either in main or side, I didnt want to give mention to a card where I would go 0-1 even in optimistic terms.

I agree. It is more of a gimmick card. One of those cards that was made in a nice attempt but doesn't apply to well in practice.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 11:23 AM

I like 1 Celri and Tour Guide - Broww - Grappha is a monster play at times.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 11:40 AM

View PostCanti, on 19 July 2011 - 11:23 AM, said:

I like 1 Celri and Tour Guide - Broww - Grappha is a monster play at times.

Tour Guide is a cute play to make with the deck by any means. Its an instant Levaiel, which with how steady use of Gate can make it turn live very quickly.

At the very worst you could go Tour Guide > Tour Guide > Levaiel. Remove for Gate then get the monster you removed back for more lulz.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 02:49 PM

View PostTsunayoshi, on 19 July 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

Tour Guide is a cute play to make with the deck by any means. Its an instant Levaiel, which with how steady use of Gate can make it turn live very quickly.

At the very worst you could go Tour Guide > Tour Guide > Levaiel. Remove for Gate then get the monster you removed back for more lulz.
I never actually realized that Tour Guide could bring duplicates of herself out until now. That being said, I think a lot of people tend to overlook the fact that Tour Guide herself can be used for Synchros, even though her target Fiend can't.

I too would have liked a bit more coverage on Celri, given his unique ability. Depending on how you view him, he's a nice addition to Dark Deal. Other than thatI have a very srong preference towards The Forces of Darkness, but I can see how it conflicts with newer builds running Gate.
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 04:18 PM

View PostMad Hatter, on 19 July 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

I never actually realized that Tour Guide could bring duplicates of herself out until now. That being said, I think a lot of people tend to overlook the fact that Tour Guide herself can be used for Synchros, even though her target Fiend can't.

I too would have liked a bit more coverage on Celri, given his unique ability. Depending on how you view him, he's a nice addition to Dark Deal. Other than thatI have a very srong preference towards The Forces of Darkness, but I can see how it conflicts with newer builds running Gate.

Dark Deal doesnt have that much appeal when many of the good and actively used spells in decks usually do not fall into the Normal Spell category, outside of common deck choices and those are minimal at best. The Forces of Darkness directly goes against Gate, which is decked in every competitive build that has been topping in OCG and used in 3's consistently.

I tried to stay to a competitive angle, which after playing around with Celri and only using it as Grapha fodder, ended up with a few cards that might have been seen as good in the past falling to the wayside because they dont help the deck or the metagame just doesnt allow for them to be of use.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 10:06 PM

This set up would make you tear up with so much win. Would make you proud.

Royal Oppression, Solemn Judgment, and Mirror Force are set. Call is dead on the field meaninglessly.

Playing against Plant Tengu and he has so many cards in hand and has to scoop because he can't Syncrho because of Dark Highlander.


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Posted 19 July 2011 - 10:09 PM

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 05:47 PM

Fabled Valkyrus is awesome in the deck as well. Too much fun goes on when you have him AND Highlander out...
EDIT: Kid lied to me...

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 05:55 PM

View PostEwok Hunter, on 20 July 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

Fabled Valkyrus is awesome in the deck as well. Too much fun goes on when you have him AND Highlander out...
EDIT: Kid lied to me...

I could have told you that Valkyrus is plum in the deck.. Discard cost makes it suck.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:03 PM

View PostTsunayoshi, on 20 July 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

I could have told you that Valkyrus is plum in the deck.. Discard cost makes it suck.
LOL I know that now since I looked at the wiki. I always assumed it was a cost.
I actually lost because the guy said it wasn't, AND claimed to have a source to back him up. Don't know why I trusted him.
Wish I remembered his name...
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:49 PM

View PostEwok Hunter, on 20 July 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

LOL I know that now since I looked at the wiki. I always assumed it was a cost.
I actually lost because the guy said it wasn't, AND claimed to have a source to back him up. Don't know why I trusted him.
Wish I remembered his name...

Dont worry about it. I had to learn the hard way too. Made me really start to hate Valkyrus even in Fabled after that.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 06:55 AM

why does nobody use scar scout of dark world or the forces of darkness. i also think veil of darkness could be very useful with dark world since during each of your draw phases if you draw a dark monster you can reveal it send it to the grave and draw another card.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 08:44 AM

View Postzkillm, on 23 July 2011 - 06:55 AM, said:

why does nobody use scar scout of dark world or the forces of darkness. i also think veil of darkness could be very useful with dark world since during each of your draw phases if you draw a dark monster you can reveal it send it to the grave and draw another card.

Because it says send. If it said discard then we would be getting somewhere but unfortunately it doesn't say that.

#19 Tsunayoshi

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 10:11 AM

View Postzkillm, on 23 July 2011 - 06:55 AM, said:

why does nobody use scar scout of dark world or the forces of darkness. i also think veil of darkness could be very useful with dark world since during each of your draw phases if you draw a dark monster you can reveal it send it to the grave and draw another card.

No reason to use Scarr when we have Snow which can get any DW monster out of the deck + DW Lightning and Gate

Veil is just bad and only good in decks like Exodia.

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