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[shadowball2007]

[Ira Aeterna]

...how did he win?

[Ex-Creations]

Yes, please don't take your time to organize your deck clearly.

[Canti]

I've been siding Soul Release since Tele-DAD. Get on my level.

[shadowball2007]

gotta give him props though lol he won

[Tsunayoshi]

Pat doesnt think much of this guy.

Then again, based on how bad he played against Pat, winning must have been a fluke.

[Ira Aeterna]

shadowball2007, on 21 November 2011 - 09:07 AM, said:

gotta give him props though lol he won

I don't give anyone props for misplaying severely yet winning because they opened fader + caius in every single feature match.

[spellcasterbrent]

if he still won after misplays that just mean the deck is better then the player.

[Tsunayoshi]

spellcasterbrent, on 21 November 2011 - 04:05 PM, said:

if he still won after misplays that just mean the deck is better then the player.

No. That just means he is a lucky mothergrapeer if you even looked at Pat's tourney report.

Chaos is not a deck that can just be herp derp retarded in plays to win, like plants can do from time to time.

[shadowball2007]

hmmm the deck looks solid

[spellcasterbrent]

Tsunayoshi, on 21 November 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

No. That just means he is a lucky mothergrapeer if you even looked at Pat's tourney report.

Chaos is not a deck that can just be herp derp retarded in plays to win, like plants can do from time to time.

All I see from Pats tourney report is a person who can't adjust to a different play style, and is constricted to a singular way of thought. Just take a step back and anaylize what he wrote about that match.

"Top 8:
Patrick Hoban v. Courtney
We get deck checked. Everything is fine.
Game 1: This guy’s nice, but he’s legitimately bad. He summons Tour Guide and I play Maxx “C”. He is like grape IT and goes ahead and makes Leviair and brings something back. He had also dropped BLS. He knew he couldn’t win that turn because he Dustshooted my hand and knew my 1 set was Enemy Controller. So I drew 3 cards off the Maxx “C” and Enemy Controller the BLS to stay alive. 2 of the cards I drew were Tengu. Then I draw the third Tengu for my turn and just scoop. There were also 2 points he attacked where he would have outright lost to Gorz.

Game 2: I hit him directly with Reaper. Next turn I summon Dandy, make Leviair, detatch Dandy to bring back Bulb and make Formula. He has 2 in hand and drops Sorcerer and removes Leviair. Then he sacks Sorcerer for Caius and removes Formula and attacks my last token. I set Torrential and he didn’t end phase MST it so I assumed he didn’t have it. He already had Caius on the field and summons Dimensional Alchemist. I can’t Torrential because he has Tour Guide removed. On my turn I had the intention of summoning Maxx “C”, chaining Torrential, and chaining Enemy Controller to take his Alchemist to stay in the game and so that his Alchemist didn’t get its effect. Since I knew his set wasn’t MST I MST it, but it was Book and he chains it to Alchemist, which ruins my play. I end up stalling out a few turns while he no fear of Gorz attacks and eventually I draw Dark Hole. He tops Dyna and my next 3 draws were Tour Guide, Tour Guide, BLS. "


first lets discuss this statement

"There were also 2 points he attacked where he would have outright lost to Gorz."

Pat confined to his single way of playing the game decides that the person who won made a horrible misplay and miscalculation move of attacking an open field. His reasoning is well If I attacked a field like that I should expect a Gorz right there. Courtney on the other hand took the field at face value and attacked with impunity, a move that lead to him winning that match. How is this consider a bad play? explain.

[Vanilla Ice]

spellcasterbrent, on 21 November 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

Pat confined to his single way of playing the game decides that the person who won made a horrible misplay and miscalculation move of attacking an open field. His reasoning is well If I attacked a field like that I should expect a Gorz right there. Courtney on the other hand took the field at face value and attacked with impunity, a move that lead to him winning that match. How is this consider a bad play? explain.

Cos usually unless you have an out to Gorz, you don't blindly rush into an open field. We know Gorz is just a 1-in-a-deck card. However, Gorz can lead to so many plays, summon Bulb for double synchro, stall behing Gorz token, hit your opponent for at least 2700 dmg, etc. And it is possible that a single Gorz can cause you a game, just like Pat stated, that guy would have lost if Pat dropped Gorz at that moment. Yet, he chose to attack. It's just unfortunate Pat drew R tengus out of Avarice and draw phase. Had he drawn something else, Pat might be our YCS winner. Who knows? I have played thousands of games, and during those thousands of games, one of the thing I learnt was that you don't charge into an open field if you know you can't play around Gorz. Even if Gorz is not outrightly broken, there is a huge possibility that Gorz can turn the tide against you.

[spellcasterbrent]

Vanilla Ice, on 21 November 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Cos usually unless you have an out to Gorz, you don't blindly rush into an open field. We know Gorz is just a 1-in-a-deck card. However, Gorz can lead to so many plays, summon Bulb for double synchro, stall behing Gorz token, hit your opponent for at least 2700 dmg, etc. And it is possible that a single Gorz can cause you a game, just like Pat stated, that guy would have lost if Pat dropped Gorz at that moment. Yet, he chose to attack. It's just unfortunate Pat drew R tengus out of Avarice and draw phase. Had he drawn something else, Pat might be our YCS winner. Who knows? I have played thousands of games, and during those thousands of games, one of the thing I learnt was that you don't charge into an open field if you know you can't play around Gorz. Even if Gorz is not outrightly broken, there is a huge possibility that Gorz can turn the tide against you.

But, that fact of the matter still stands that HE did attack an open field and HE did win. Take into consideration that he did choose to use the same train of thought as you have described, possible he would have lost because those two attacks would not have been there to cut into his lifepoints and Pat would have won. what then? we say tough luck?

"Courtney, its ok that you loss man. I would have been afraid of that Gorz as well for those two attacks. Better luck next time man."

You have to understand that sometimes to win you must throw caution to the wind.

Edited by spellcasterbrent, 21 November 2011 - 11:25 PM.

[shadowball2007]

you have 1 shot to become champ he attack knowing he could Gorz but it payed off for him maybe next time it wont. Lets just show a lil respect to the champ. Also his deck got bling out since he posted the deck last Thursday

Edited by shadowball2007, 22 November 2011 - 12:26 AM.

[Ice King]

Only thing I couldn't understand from Pat's Top 8 match:

Game 2
He plays MST, hitting Courtney's face-down. Courtney chains it, Book of Moon. Why didn't Pat just set the Maxx C, and try to bait out Courtney? (Wait for Courtney to feel overconfident, flip Alchemist, have Pat activate TT, chain the E-Con and take the Alchemist)

Sometimes when you're in a winning position, you feel overconfident, so you go in for a rush, which is a huge mistake. You're opponent can devastate your play with Gorz, TT, Mirror Force, Dark Hole, etc and turn everything around. I've played games where we're both sitting with a monster with equal ATK, but instead my opponent wants to run over it, so they drop another monster and make a Synchro/Exceed, only to lose out to a BTH or D Prison. Luck is always a big factor in the game, but it still requires a huge amount of skill because there's always plays you may overlook.

[Tsunayoshi]

spellcasterbrent, on 21 November 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

All I see from Pats tourney report is a person who can't adjust to a different play style, and is constricted to a singular way of thought. Just take a step back and anaylize what he wrote about that match.

"Top 8:
Patrick Hoban v. Courtney
We get deck checked. Everything is fine.
Game 1: This guy's nice, but he's legitimately bad. He summons Tour Guide and I play Maxx "C". He is like grape IT and goes ahead and makes Leviair and brings something back. He had also dropped BLS. He knew he couldn't win that turn because he Dustshooted my hand and knew my 1 set was Enemy Controller. So I drew 3 cards off the Maxx "C" and Enemy Controller the BLS to stay alive. 2 of the cards I drew were Tengu. Then I draw the third Tengu for my turn and just scoop. There were also 2 points he attacked where he would have outright lost to Gorz.

Game 2: I hit him directly with Reaper. Next turn I summon Dandy, make Leviair, detatch Dandy to bring back Bulb and make Formula. He has 2 in hand and drops Sorcerer and removes Leviair. Then he sacks Sorcerer for Caius and removes Formula and attacks my last token. I set Torrential and he didn't end phase MST it so I assumed he didn't have it. He already had Caius on the field and summons Dimensional Alchemist. I can't Torrential because he has Tour Guide removed. On my turn I had the intention of summoning Maxx "C", chaining Torrential, and chaining Enemy Controller to take his Alchemist to stay in the game and so that his Alchemist didn't get its effect. Since I knew his set wasn't MST I MST it, but it was Book and he chains it to Alchemist, which ruins my play. I end up stalling out a few turns while he no fear of Gorz attacks and eventually I draw Dark Hole. He tops Dyna and my next 3 draws were Tour Guide, Tour Guide, BLS. "


first lets discuss this statement

"There were also 2 points he attacked where he would have outright lost to Gorz."

Pat confined to his single way of playing the game decides that the person who won made a horrible misplay and miscalculation move of attacking an open field. His reasoning is well If I attacked a field like that I should expect a Gorz right there. Courtney on the other hand took the field at face value and attacked with impunity, a move that lead to him winning that match. How is this consider a bad play? explain.

Had to neg you for posting that...

Pat was playing like a champ and Courtney was making one scrub move after another against him. There was so much grapeing luck on his side that Pat has every right to bitch about losing someone that wasnt on his level

[Ira Aeterna]

Brent, you're grapeing retarded if your logic is "it worked so it was a smart play!"

It -turned out- to be a good play, but attacking when you'd LOSE to Gorz is never a SMART play.

Yes, if I have answers to Gorz, I'll swing with my cock still hard. If I would LOSE to Gorz, I won't swing even if I'd have game with both monsters on board? Why? Because no good player takes that gamble unless they've got a very limited number of turns to do it (like if my opp sarc'd a valuable resource or potted a Hyperion last turn). If you can't deal with Gorz, you don't create a scenario where you might face him. Period. Any player who can't follow this basic principle is an idiot.

And saying "oh he just had a different style and no one could adapt" is grapeing blasphemous. That's like if a button-masher swept MVC3 Evo 2012 and you defended him by saying "he had a different play style". Blindly playing following the most basic patterns of a game isn't a style, it's just being ill equipped. The fact that it paid off for him in this scenario does not make it a "good" strategy. It just happened to work. Even a blind squirrel stumbles across the occasional acorn.

[shadowball2007]

JUST WIN BABY an he did Pat is a great player it just wasnt his day lets leave it at that. I rather have a LUCKY win then a Skillful loss as would any player playing for those stakes. Now he was wrong for trying to use that burn deck to hustle him on some cheap plum

Edited by shadowball2007, 22 November 2011 - 12:30 AM.

[AngelicChaos0]

Ira Aeterna, on 22 November 2011 - 12:17 AM, said:

Brent, you're grapeing retarded if your logic is "it worked so it was a smart play!"

It -turned out- to be a good play, but attacking when you'd LOSE to Gorz is never a SMART play.

Yes, if I have answers to Gorz, I'll swing with my cock still hard. If I would LOSE to Gorz, I won't swing even if I'd have game with both monsters on board? Why? Because no good player takes that gamble unless they've got a very limited number of turns to do it (like if my opp sarc'd a valuable resource or potted a Hyperion last turn). If you can't deal with Gorz, you don't create a scenario where you might face him. Period. Any player who can't follow this basic principle is an idiot.

And saying "oh he just had a different style and no one could adapt" is grapeing blasphemous. That's like if a button-masher swept MVC3 Evo 2012 and you defended him by saying "he had a different play style". Blindly playing following the most basic patterns of a game isn't a style, it's just being ill equipped. The fact that it paid off for him in this scenario does not make it a "good" strategy. It just happened to work. Even a blind squirrel stumbles across the occasional acorn.

Thanks for posting this so I don't have to

[Tyrant]

Yeah, plum retard player won with luck. That's yugioh.

As far as his "playstyle" is concerned, he plays linear like any bad player. Too bad playing linear works sometimes.