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[Mad Hatter]

Tribute 1 "Ninja" monster; Special Summon any number of "Ninja" monsters, from your Deck, in face-up Attack Position or face-down Defense Position with combined Levels less than or equal to the Level of the Tributed monster. When this card leaves the field: Destroy those monsters.

Ninjas have definitely shot up in support with the recent sets and cards like Duplication may help them ascend to a Tier 2 maybe 1.5 or 1 Tier. Essentially a reverse Transformation, you can hypothetically trade of a lvl 4 Ninja for a quadruplet of Crimson/Armed Ninjas or any combination and its remotely usable in a Karakuri deck as well. If Ninja manage to prosper this format, Ninja Grandmaster Hanzo could become a Stratos of sorts for the deck.

[Negative One]

Duplication is not that big of a tool for Ninjas. The problem with getting a combination of 4 level 1s is obvious, cards suck on their own, some rank 1s are ok, but none are fantastic and worth running 4+ bad cards.

This however does have some use in chaining to Veiler/targeting effects in general, and pays for itself with the ability to search Hanzo.

[Nomad]

nvm

I thought you could tribute any monster & then special summon a bunch of plum equal to or less than the big monster's level. Bai bai Metal Reflect Slime & Trag idea. :(

[Mad Hatter]

Nomad, on 11 January 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

nvm

I thought you could tribute any monster & then special summon a bunch of plum equal to or less than the big monster's level. Bai bai Metal Reflect Slime & Trag idea. :(

It wouldn't be Ninjitsu then would it?

[Tenken]

Mad Hatter, on 11 January 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

It wouldn't be Ninjitsu then would it?

Well the TCG likes to mess up themes, so I could see it happening.

But there aren't enough high level ninjas to really make this cool. I mean replace a ninja for another isn't bad, but since it has the option to get multiple you'd at least want a level 8 to use it, especially a good level 8.

[Tsunayoshi]

Why has no one mentioned that you could toss a Hanzo and just summon another grapeing Hanzo?

Seems like an awesome way to thin the deck out more and maintain some form of hand advantage.

[Tenken]

Tsunayoshi, on 11 January 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Why has no one mentioned that you could toss a Hanzo and just summon another grapeing Hanzo?

Seems like an awesome way to thin the deck out more and maintain some form of hand advantage.

It can help dodge something like a D Prison (if they choose to D Prison a hanzo...)

But I don't see that play as advancing your gamestate much. Your goal is to get a winning board. I am sure it helps. It is a cool and viable play. But it isn't an amazing play that I will do 100% of the time. It just seems like an it's there versatility option.

Idk I haven't even read the ninjas in months.

[Tsunayoshi]

Getting another Ninjutsu trap + a Ninja monster to hand sounds like its advancing the gamestate pretty well, especially if you grab something like Gold Conversion and Gold Ninja so you can pull more advantage and set yourself up for Utopia or any other good Rank 4, Super Conversion, or Blade Heart for dual attacks

[Ice King]

Personally, I don't really like this card. One of the few things I see this card being useful for is flipping a Senior Silver Ninja, getting its effect, then after the next turn, playing this and tributing it off for 2 lvl 3 Ninjas.

This card would be incredible if it didn't have the word "combined" in the effect.

[Tsunayoshi]

DSS, on 12 January 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Personally, I don't really like this card. One of the few things I see this card being useful for is flipping a Senior Silver Ninja, getting its effect, then after the next turn, playing this and tributing it off for 2 lvl 3 Ninjas.

This card would be incredible if it didn't have the word "combined" in the effect.

It also says any number so I dont think you have to summon multiple monsters and you can use it for quick replacements if you wanna dodge effects.

[Negative One]

How are you getting another Ninjitsu trap, or are you just referring to the original Hanzo summoning? I agree with him that it doesn't change the state much beyond the original summoning of Hanzo. Honestly the Ninjas you can search with Hanzo are sub-par, Golden is alright, but getting one of him to hand does not change the game-state that much, it just turned Duplication into a 1-for-1.

[Tsunayoshi]

Negative One, on 12 January 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

How are you getting another Ninjitsu trap, or are you just referring to the original Hanzo summoning? I agree with him that it doesn't change the state much beyond the original summoning of Hanzo. Honestly the Ninjas you can search with Hanzo are sub-par, Golden is alright, but getting one of him to hand does not change the game-state that much, it just turned Duplication into a 1-for-1.

I derped for a moment there. Either way, the play is still decent since its a +1 and you thin the deck by 2.

[bherrell2]

Tsunayoshi, on 12 January 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

I derped for a moment there. Either way, the play is still decent since its a +1 and you thin the deck by 2.

The play is decent but awful compared to summoning Hanzo and searching for Super Transformation.

Duplication is kind of useless really. Yes you can turn a Hanzo or something into a bunch of small guys but that doesn't solve the problem of running the small guys in the first place. They are level one so there is nothing to do with them once they hit the field. The Hanzo + search would be much better spent on actually winning the duel.

All of the Ninja monsters are unplayable minus Hanzo, Upstart, White Dragon, and Sazank. I do not care what anyone else does but Strike Ninja and Ninja Grandmaster are useless cards.

I think Ninja will end up as a relatively undefined deck (meaning completely rogue) because Ninjas aren't a deck. It's a theme optimally used sort of like a hybrid but definitely in conjunction with something else. It isn't really possible at this point in time to make a "Ninja Deck" because a win condition hasn't been presented imo. White Dragon Ninja constitutes a "White Dragon Ninja Deck" and is only using Hanzo + Supertransformation because that is the best way to summon WDN. A big thing holding the deck back is the list of Supertransformation targets suck and it forces you to either run a deck based off WDN or add other completely random cards like Guiba or Light Pulsar Dragon. People need to realize, just because Supertransformation can search for something doesn't mean the something isn't completely random. It needs to work very well with Ninjas specifically or just be a broken card in general. Guiba is pretty subpar and the whole Chaos Dragon concept is beyond garbage.