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[Cero]

If I attack opponent using an effect monster and my opponent chains Dimensional Prison, can I chain Fiendish Chain to stop my attack and let Dimensional Prison fizzle?

[g1Nz0]

I'd say no.

Fiendish Chain prevents a monster from attacking, it doesn't negate an attack in progress, or alter the state of said monster such as a card like Book of Moon would. So, I'd think that the activation requirements of Dimensional Prison would have still been met, thus removing the monster.

But I could be wrong, in which case see the posts below as they arrive, lol. I'd be interested in seeing the "why" if I'm wrong.

[junkadin]

G1nzo is right imo, The monster you are attacking with has already been targeted.

[Nomad]

Well for what it's worth, that's what I'd say too, and for the same reasons g1nZ0 mentioned. Instead of negating an attack, Fiendish Chain is simply making the monster unable to complete the attack, which according to rulings in the ocg that I don't recall ever being combated for the tcg, basically say that the target is still considered to be an attacking monster until chain has resolved. It might be different if control was to switch (as per the Magic Cylinder ruling), but that's likely because it also needs to be an opponent's attacking monster, and not something that's relevant to our current example.

There's also a few tcg rulings for Red Dragon Archfiend & Ancient Forest that support this way of thinking (negating an attack vs making an attack unable to complete itself).

[Sheik_the_Geek]

g1Nz0™, on 29 January 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

I'd say no.

Fiendish Chain prevents a monster from attacking, it doesn't negate an attack in progress, or alter the state of said monster such as a card like Book of Moon would. So, I'd think that the activation requirements of Dimensional Prison would have still been met, thus removing the monster.

But I could be wrong, in which case see the posts below as they arrive, lol. I'd be interested in seeing the "why" if I'm wrong.

I believe Shadow Spell (old card) has a similar ruling that if an attack has already been declared, it must continue.

[Nomad]

That's different, sort of. Certain cards prevent attacks from being declared, while others can also stop an attack from going further if used during the battle step, even if its already been called (declared).

Threatening Roar & Morphtronic Bind come to mind for the 1st group, while Gravity Bind & Shadow Spell come to mind for the 2nd group that're a little easier to use. These cards won't stop an attack if the damage step has been entered (which is likely what you were reading about in regards to Shadow Spell), but if you're still in the battle step, then they're like Fiendish Chain because they can stop attacks from proceeding too.

For example, if you declare an attack, it's too late for me to stop it with Threatening Roar because the declaration was already announced, but I'm good to go with Shadow Spell, Gravity Bind or Fiendish Chain. I'm sorry if this isn't doesn't make much sense, but yeah.

[Krizz]

I thought that Fiendish Chain worked like Threatening Roar, in that if you respond to an attack by using it the attack will still go through, but after that the monster wouldn't be able to attack anymore.

I was told I was wrong and their are no rulings on Fiendish Chain that dispute the opposing opinion. Confused.

[Nomad]

While there aren't any rulings for Fiendish Chain to mention this (the Raging Battle doc just talks about Gemini plum), Gravity Bind & friends (Safe Zone is here too) serve as a decent precedent. Not sure why I thought the Morphtronic card was part of their group, but it has a ruling to say that its different (can't stop attacks already in progress).

Threatening Roar is like that too, and it specifies caring about the declariation while none of the others (Gravity Bind, Shadow Spell, Safe Zone, etc) do.

[Skully]

Wait. So if they attack and I fchain them, the atk goes through?

[Canti]

No, but the declaration is still there so D Prison works.